Curse

legacyofkain85 · Jun 10, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

For all the players that have trouble with gate of madness especialy shiro which i find easier to kill than to get there remember 2 skills that are very good to bring along 1.Spoil Victor,2. Wild blow(since i always have a tank for shiro)

legacyofkain85 · Jun 10, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by lakatz

When I took my ranger char through Gate of Madness with LordHelmos' original hero build, I couldn't do it. I wouldn't die, but I couldn't kill Shiro either. I pounded on him forever until I finally gave up. On the second try, I came back using the Jin/Margrid build myself with Morgahn, Tahlkora and Master of Whispers set up as SS nuker, and Shiro went down fast. I like SS better with this build because SV relies on low health and health just does not drop with this build.

True but Spoil victor isnt there to actualy kil shiro its there to make him go from 6k+health to your current health realy fast

Vahrn Hart · Jun 19, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

What skills could I subsitute in if I only own nightfall?

The skills that would need replacing are Flurry on the P/Wa build and the Elite skill and the mesmer skills on the Mo.

thanks

Sjeng oet Mestreech · Jun 26, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Flail instead of flurry.

Btw, do these builds still work after all te nerfs when ik comes to defense?

ibex333 · Jun 28, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

no offense, but I have found this build to be completely useless....

I'm not a noob and I know how to run my heroes. The OP says this build will own just about anywhere, and I found this to be completely not true.

First of all, heroes run out of energy very fast. There is no "constant" energy at all.

No fortress defense either - my hero/hench team gets easily steamrolled in just about every mission after the "Vortex" in NF. What's worse, I couldn't do "Garden of Seborhin" either.... Too hard and party gets wiped easily.

There's barely any decent damage, since most of it comes from Margrid who is not very good at barraging groups it seems...

Dual synergy SF Eles+Olias do a much better job, yet they still get owned in the above places.

I made no mistakes... Followed the guide exactly from runes to skills to skill points. 3 heroes, 1-2 hench monks, warrior and ele.

I'm a Ritualist with healing spirits. Been playing for a very long time so I'm pretty sure I know what I am doing. Any specifics I might be missing?

Div · Jun 28, 2007, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibex333

no offense, but I have found this build to be completely useless....

I'm not a noob and I know how to run my heroes. The OP says this build will own just about anywhere, and I found this to be completely not true.

First of all, heroes run out of energy very fast. There is no "constant" energy at all.

No fortress defense either - my hero/hench team gets easily steamrolled in just about every mission after the "Vortex" in NF. What's worse, I couldn't do "Garden of Seborhin" either.... Too hard and party gets wiped easily.

There's barely any decent damage, since most of it comes from Margrid who is not very good at barraging groups it seems...

Dual synergy SF Eles+Olias do a much better job, yet they still get owned in the above places.

I made no mistakes... Followed the guide exactly from runes to skills to skill points. 3 heroes, 1-2 hench monks, warrior and ele.

I'm a Ritualist with healing spirits. Been playing for a very long time so I'm pretty sure I know what I am doing. Any specifics I might be missing?

You do know that this build was posted over half a year ago when a lot of the Paragon skills and Watch Yourself were still really powerful. The build I assume would give very high +armor back in the days and provide nice energy, but skill changes have changed all that. Plus, this was back before HM too, and NM is generally really easy when using overpowered skills...

Slappywag · Jul 04, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

I didn't think it was god mode. I still struggled with that mission (and gave up after a couple). Kept on getting stuck with multiple pulls and finally when I got to the end, Shiro and the Lich smacked me down as soon as I entered the gate (I hear you're supposed to do them last? I don't know how) =(

Uber Minotaur · Aug 08, 2007, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Hi,

Sorry to bring up an old thread....does this build of heroes still work ? Or has it been nerfed to the point of being useless ?

Thanks.

havok019 · Aug 08, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Still works, just not as uber, Uber. Good place to start and then you can fine-tune it depending on how your party is doing out there.

For HM, you'll need more interrupts built in.

My Sweet Revenga · Aug 09, 2007, 12:15 AM // 00:15

For normal mode, it still kinda works. The thing is, this build was posted almost a year ago and paragon skills have been beated bloody with the nerf bat at least twice since then so while this combo works, it's nowhere near as effective as it was back then. And wow it was a good build while it lasted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibex333

no offense, but I have found this build to be completely useless....

I'm not a noob and I know how to run my heroes. The OP says this build will own just about anywhere, and I found this to be completely not true.

First of all, heroes run out of energy very fast. There is no "constant" energy at all.

No fortress defense either - my hero/hench team gets easily steamrolled in just about every mission after the "Vortex" in NF. What's worse, I couldn't do "Garden of Seborhin" either.... Too hard and party gets wiped easily.

There's barely any decent damage, since most of it comes from Margrid who is not very good at barraging groups it seems...

Dual synergy SF Eles+Olias do a much better job, yet they still get owned in the above places.

I made no mistakes... Followed the guide exactly from runes to skills to skill points. 3 heroes, 1-2 hench monks, warrior and ele.

I'm a Ritualist with healing spirits. Been playing for a very long time so I'm pretty sure I know what I am doing. Any specifics I might be missing?

No offense.... but if you've been playing "for a very long time" as you claim, you would have known that between the time this build was posted (almost a year ago) and the time you posted your findings (a little over a month ago) you'd know that many of the paragon skill nerfings have rendered the power of this build combo less than advertized. It was an excellent build. Nowadays it's just so-so.

shrillex · Aug 11, 2007, 06:32 AM // 06:32

i didnt notice but is the builds still good even though they were nerfed?

pgiustino · Aug 16, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Nice builds, even now.

About the ranger...
I like my ranger hero to take full advantage of criticals, using skills like disrupting winds and keen arrow.
And does barrage synergize well with gfte! (meaning many arrows critical) or is it just one arrow?

Damage reduction is the para's best utility imo. I enjoy getting into pugs and joke about how dead my companions would be without me. Just yesterday I pugged with 4 others and h/h'd the rest for the ronjok mission. Not 5 minutes in two dudes drop out. Whatever, we went on and finished with the three of us left and the only healer was a hench. Good times.

DjBlack · Aug 17, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

i dont understand how your hero have 9 15 9 9 att even if i put 1sup 2minior its not close ;l

T1Cybernetic · Sep 01, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Could you add the template code to the first post for people, im using this setup on my ranger + heros and it's still pretty decent even now.

ibex333 · Sep 03, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga

No offense.... but if you've been playing "for a very long time" as you claim, you would have known that between the time this build was posted (almost a year ago) and the time you posted your findings (a little over a month ago) you'd know that many of the paragon skill nerfings have rendered the power of this build combo less than advertized.

So... According to you, someone who plays for a long time must know all skills and professions? That's ridiculous.
I've only been playing the warrior, rit, and monk for the most part. I know nothing at all about the paragon profession and it's skills, nor do I want to know. I don't like the NF professions, hence the lack of knowledge.

The reason why I came to this thread and posted, is because I thought: Hey.. This might be a good build that will allow me to "PWN" everything without any understanding of how it works. Yes I know this kind of thinking is not cool, but can you really blame me? I don't want to grind, devise builds, etc. It's a game and I want to have fun. If I actually wanted to think, I would! (and I do, when I feel like it.)

Yes. I admit it. I use people who have nothing better to do with their time than to sit there for hours and make builds... I don't see how that is a crime. If these people objected to people like me using them, they wouldn't share!

PS: I dont see why a mod doesnt close this damned thread. It confuses people and makes them think the build still owns.

Enko · Sep 05, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by ibex333

PS: I dont see why a mod doesnt close this damned thread. It confuses people and makes them think the build still owns.

most people are intelligent enough to look at the date of the post . ..

Cobalt · Sep 11, 2007, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
some people want things to be balanced, myself included.

If it was about balance then their would be a mass nerf fest for the invincible pvp builds you see all the time as that is really the only part of the game that needs true balance.

This build was for PVE and it was not hurting anything running it except some PVE baddies and who the hell cares about them?

wolfwing · Sep 11, 2007, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Any suggestions for the energy/health runes to stick on the hero's? Or other such useful runes.

neo the tyrant · Sep 17, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I Found It Nice

chowmein69 · Sep 17, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

this is anice build